agm m4a1 gas blowback

[nz mad dog]

hi all I am thinking of getting a agm m4a1 gas blowback as I don't have alot of money and it's a cheap first gun I would like to find out if anyone has had one and if it's any good or the ea made one.

[Nematode]

I personally wouldn't recommend a GBB as a first gun, especially if cash is limited. All the folks that I know that have them have had to spend extra to keep them running. Cheap ones cost more as parts break and out of the box a lot of them offer average performance. Also in the cold of winter down here they will perform poorly.

For the same sort of money you could get a decent electric that should be trouble free.

[Zero]

Personally I would just stick with the normal SEG's, Less things can go wrong with them.
Gas is temperature sensitive, so when it gets colder its less effective. But when it gets warmer the gas expands and builds more pressure.

That's just my opinion, see what the other guys have to say.

[FullMetal]

Hey. Ive looked up a bit about gas vs electric but could never find any user reviews. as it seems like it might be relevant here thought I'd ask... who uses what for powering their gun and for what reasons? and is it correct to assume that, although gas varies in pressure at temperature, at normal temp it provides a higher FPS and better accuracy than electric?

cheers.

[stringman]

Wouldn't call myself an expert, but it looks like pretty much all the assault rifles are electric, which is the way to go for that class.
Most pistols are gas, guess it's a weight/size thing?
There's the occasional spring-powered sniper rifle, I guess having to cock the spring every shot isn't a big deal when it's bolt-action anyway.

[Bubby]

Ok my 2 cents.

Electric... A whole lot more reliable in the south Island. As we have the southern Alps on the backdoor step, Temp does affect the performance of gas guns. As it does Batteries (they dont hold their charge as long... I've found) For Rifles Electric is just more reliable. At least with electric you know that in winter and summer the FPS is going to be roughly +/- a few fps of what you think it will be doing.

Gas... In winter.... with a Gas rifle you can almost always gaurentee you'll have more luck with a straw and the lung capacity of a hardcore smoker than what you would do with a gas filled magazine. In summer... The Possible FPS with a gas rifle is almost at the top end of rabbit killing speed. Just ask Squirrel what his K98 can do on a hot summers day. Spring and autum are about the only times of year where a gas powered rifle is really of any good to anyone.

Pistols.... I think it all depends on what you use them for.... some people like the crack of the gas... and generally the only time you'll have your pistol out is if your within that magic "10-15 metre" range. Then performance really isnt going to be an issue.... unless you're unfortunate enough to have the slide freeze and all your gas empties from the mag out the barrel of the pistol and if that happens then you deserve to be shot.

[Zero]

Just remember when you are asking people on the ASNZ Forums take note of where they live.
GBB in the North Island will operate differently than in the central south island (Canterbury) due to the temperature and humidity.

So what might be awesome up north could be crap down south.

You want a good reliable weapon which works effectively in all weather situations.

[nz mad dog]

hi I'v been looking at the gas guns as I have had bad exp with things with electric motors and battery powered things and I have seen how much gear boxes can cost how I see it is this aeg and seg have alot of parts to it there for more can break and with gas less parts in them = less to fix that means in the long run it should be cheaper anyway thats what I was thinking on the power prob with gas the gun comes stock with a 400 + fps would I not be able cover the cold gas prob by not putting as weak of a spring in it to make it under the 350 fps rule so in sumer I would just have to a weaker spring in it to put it under the limit or is that not how you can change the fps in a gas gun.

[Bubby]

hi I'v been looking at the gas guns as I have had bad exp with things with electric motors and battery powered things and I have seen how much gear boxes can cost how I see it is this aeg and seg have alot of parts to it there for more can break and with gas less parts in them = less to fix that means in the long run it should be cheaper anyway thats what I was thinking on the power prob with gas the gun comes stock with a 400 + fps would I not be able cover the cold gas prob by not putting as weak of a spring in it to make it under the 350 fps rule so in sumer I would just have to a weaker spring in it to put it under the limit or is that not how you can change the fps in a gas gun.

Gas Guns dont have springs. The Spring changing you're talking about is with SEG's

I know that with my G33 it has a adjuster or something. Its a screw that I can put into the bolt to restrict the amount of gas coming out of the bolt and down the barrel.

[shafs64]

If you want GBB get a pistol. and go AEG for you Bug Gun

Paul

[Zero]

As you can see from the comments on ASNZ Forum's that the AGM brand is not great quality. Parts needing replacing far too early due to failure.
http://www.asnz.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=10527

These guys have the most experience with GBB weapon's as they have tried a range of different brands.
As you can read, G&P seems to be a reliable weapon but it also cost's more than a SEG.

All the guys on here have been trying to advise you so you don't end up buying a lemon and wasting your money on something not suitable for our weather conditions.
We have nothing to gain by steering you away from buying a GBB Rifle, other than we know what its like to buy a lemon and waste your money on fixing it.

Anyway good luck with your selection of weapon.

[nz mad dog]

yea I know I'm more and more looking at SEG as the way to but wouldn't I need to get a new battery and charger from what I have read? I was asking questions about it for just that reason I have read in the forums to many that have prob with things they have spent big money on. thank you for steering a way from the gun.

[shafs64]

Yes you will to get a charger and battery. But if you had GBB you would be buying gas for it.

Paul

[Bubby]

yea I know I'm more and more looking at SEG as the way to but wouldn't I need to get a new battery and charger from what I have read? I was asking questions about it for just that reason I have read in the forums to many that have prob with things they have spent big money on. thank you for steering a way from the gun.

go Lipo.... and if you look on trademe then that'll set you back about $50 for the battery... but there are guys on here that can source some wicked deals and you'd be looking at $20ish I think. $30 max for a decent battery. As for the charger, shop around... I picked up a EOS66061 for $180

[Mouse]

I have one of these and I would definately not recommend it for a gun that you want to use in a game.

While it might seem cheaper and less complicated than an SEG it is much more prone to breakages, needs more regular maintance and also needs at least $300 of new parts before it will shoot acturately. Also they are greatly effected by the weather which is a big downer for us south Island peeps.

You can have a play with mine on the range if you want when im next out.